How to Sink a Discussion

Dec 7, 2025 at 1:17pm

Ignore it.

DaveSchmidt said:

Ignore it.

So, unlike ships, loose lips float a discussion.


Of course it takes teamwork. I've moved away from a few All Politics discussions but as much as a couple of them frustrate us they still stay at the top of the page.

Maybe some of my All Politics pals will make a New Year's Resolution to sink a couple of those nuisance ships.


Morganna said:

Of course it takes teamwork. I've moved away from a few All Politics discussions but as much as a couple of them frustrate us they still stay at the top of the page.

Maybe some of my All Politics pals will make a New Year's Resolution to sink a couple of those nuisance ships.

especially the ship that set sail in 2012
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I get a creepy feeling that there is a mutiny by losers that is being discussed —oh so subtlety — but I guess they do not have the stamina to fight the good fight. Their loss. 

Just when did this thread, MOL, become exclusionary?  And why? Was I sent a message?

 I have noticed — more recently of late — that there is much more sniping and infighting among the regulars, however — boredom, perhaps? One-sided conversations are so pathetic.

 Was it something I said back in 2012?

For just about 250 years, the United States grew and prospered under a two party system of governance to become the envy of the world. Of course, the Democrats soon will be splintered into variations — happening in NYC already.



See, Mtierney, the USA is not and hasn’t ever been ‘the envy of the world’, even with your 2-party electoral system.

Firstly, Australia and NZ would firmly suggest that a truly healthy democracy needs more than two parties.  We’ve both encouraged multiple voices at elections since our voting began, roughly a couple of centuries ago.

Secondly, we invented the secret ballot, with privacy screens.  Your cubicles were copied from us. 
Thirdly, NZ and Australia conferred female suffrage  waaaaay before you did - NZ pioneered it.  
Fourthly, we vote on a Saturday so you don’t have to take time off work to vote. Also, since some people work on Saturdays or can’t write/travel on their Sabbath to vote, we introduced early voting/secure postal ballots very early on. 

I have a feeling we also pioneered some of the accessibility standards in voting before you adopted them. 
There’s more, but I’m in a busy, noisy place and can’t think clearly. 


mtierney said:

I get a creepy feeling that there is a mutiny by losers that is being discussed —oh so subtlety — but I guess they do not have the stamina to fight the good fight. Their loss. 

Just when did this thread, MOL, become exclusionary?  And why? Was I sent a message?

 I have noticed — more recently of late — that there is much more sniping and infighting among the regulars, however — boredom, perhaps? One-sided conversations are so pathetic.

 Was it something I said back in 2012?

For just about 250 years, the United States grew and prospered under a two party system of governance to become the envy of the world. Of course, the Democrats soon will be splintered into variations — happening in NYC already.


Mtierney, I’m thinking I sounded quite harsh.  Please forgive, I had a migraine coming on and couldn’t leave where I was. 

To explain a little more, you might appreciate the history that Annabel, from our ABC, shares in these short clips:

AND another clip from Annabel:

Watching S1 Episode 3 People Power in iview
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/annabel-crabb-s-civic-duty/series/1/video/DO2441H003S00
(this won’t work unless you have iview on your computer. However I think your library could help you get access)


DaveSchmidt said:

Ignore it.

yes, this is terrific in theory. The problem comes when a thread that I’m genuinely interested gets taken over by bickering and personal arguments. I keep checking back into it, thinking that maybe those would have ended, and the actual thread topic would have regained traction.

These threads tend to become zombie threadsbouncing around the top of the page, because they become a battleground for people who want the last word. Sometimes, I think the most practical and merciful thing to do to such a thread is let it sync. There are precious few active threads going on these days, so I’d like to see the healthy ones float to the top. 


mrincredible said:

yes, this is terrific in theory.

It’s terrific in practice, too. Call up the discussion to add something that has a chance of refocusing it, or stop calling it up and move on. One of MOL’s virtues is how easy it is to scroll past threads (or comments).

And if enough users ignored a thread, maybe while singing Alice’s Restaurant — if enough users ignored a thread while singing! — well, can you imagine what would happen to that thread? There wouldn’t be any movement!

Kerplunk.


One useful innovation by the proprietors here was to separate the political-related threads into their own silo. The threads which go off the rails are usually on that side of the wall.

Attempts to inject some national politics onto this side of the wall should be ignored (if not actively deleted). Just sayin' ...


@mrincredible, can you tell me what constitutes a “healthy” thread? If the question had been posed to me, I would respond that a healthy thread had staying power, and many long term “readers” — albeit frustrated folks. The way these posters turn on one another very quickly proves their insecurity and gotcha mindset. 

One poster can barely control his anger and writes/speaks in disjointed, fake cussing, as though his anger would make a point. It doesn’t. He might be happier in  Mamdani’s NYC, however.

Another poster only got into “what’s happening” posting fairly recently, having previously shared pithy one-liners to indicate his “above it all” superiority. Why, I wonder? He was very interesting as an pithy observer

Group thinking that sinking this thread would solve the problem of how do we get rid of mtierney is truly indicative of a weakness in a public forum which is unable to accept that there are posters who think differently — but isn’t that what makes conversation interesting and stimulating and productive?

Recently half of the elected  members of Congress had a hissy fit and walked off the job (but still on salary) because they don’t like our POTUS! This was not a position which proved productive — being on the job is productive. 

As I have mentioned before, I am a 93 year old woman who lived and worked in Maplewood/ South Orange 48 years, raising four children (2 now deceased) with my equally active civic-minded husband. 

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On a totally different topic. How does an elected member of the Board of Education justify sending her children to a private out-of-district school? Surely it is a rumor — have I missed the discussion here on MOL?


mtierney said:

Group thinking that sinking this thread would solve the problem of how do we get rid of mtierney, etc., etc.

Rest easy, mtierney. Nobody here is thinking about you.


mtierney said:

@mrincredible, can you tell me what constitutes a “healthy” thread? ?

The threads that stay more or less on topic. There’s one thread in politics which just seems to have become pointless bickering. It’s nothing to do with any of your comments. 

Dave Schmidt I understand that it’s easy to scroll past threads. But my eternal optimism leads me to check in on the ones that I found interesting. I just get dismayed when it’s zombified. 


mtierney said:

On a totally different topic. How does an elected member of the Board of Education justify sending her children to a private out-of-district school? Surely it is a rumor — have I missed the discussion here on MOL?

Your best choice would be to start an on-topic thread (probably in "Education") with your question, perhaps providing more details such as the name of the person and more specificity about your issue with that person's choice for the education of their own children.

Continuing to talk about it in vague terms on this thread would not be as good a choice.


mrincredible said:

Dave Schmidt I understand that it’s easy to scroll past threads. But my eternal optimism leads me to check in on the ones that I found interesting. I just get dismayed when it’s zombified.

I get it. I prefer an MOL that lets even threads that dismay me rise at will.

DaveSchmidt said:

Rest easy, mtierney. Nobody here is thinking about you.

Sorry for the typo (darn autocorrect): Nohero here is thinking about you.


Some narcissists can’t seem to control their urges to keep their emotions in check
keep your political foolishness behind the fence. It’s not about you! No need to come over here with your sanctimonious rhetoric. You seem to not care too much about what’s being said and done to the rose garden
 


DaveSchmidt we will just have to agree to disagree. 

Even though I’m correct.  blank stare


DaveSchmidt said:

DaveSchmidt said:

Rest easy, mtierney. Nobody here is thinking about you.

Sorry for the typo (darn autocorrect): Nohero here is thinking about you.

I was responding to a specific comment about other participants on MOL and also a specific question directed to the readers.


mrincredible said:

DaveSchmidt we will just have to agree to disagree. 

Even though I’m correct. 
blank stare

I’ve learned that about a lot of North Jerseyans.  blank stare


mtierney said:

I get a creepy feeling that there is a mutiny by losers that is being discussed —oh so subtlety — but I guess they do not have the stamina to fight the good fight. Their loss. 

Just when did this thread, MOL, become exclusionary?  And why? Was I sent a message?

 I have noticed — more recently of late — that there is much more sniping and infighting among the regulars, however — boredom, perhaps? One-sided conversations are so pathetic.

 Was it something I said back in 2012?

For just about 250 years, the United States grew and prospered under a two party system of governance to become the envy of the world. Of course, the Democrats soon will be splintered into variations — happening in NYC already.

As for me, I mentioned that I've moved away from a few All Poliltics discussions. The issue is not as much a difference of opinion, but the tone of some discussions or the deadlock that certain topics get stuck in. If I see a poster never move an inch on any topic, I don't see the point in continuing the discussion.

It does become frustrating to see some of the same contentious threads dominate the All Politics section, which I like to think of as a VIP room for those who are interested in political discussion. I've seen a few threads that might have garnered more interest, but they didn't stay afloat perhaps due to the dominance of a few active threads.

I do take a peek to see if anything new is introduced and I'm sure once the midterms dominate my curiosity I'll be active again. For now there are enough people voicing opinions that I share. And I have a few quiet little threads where I continue to post. 


mtierney said:

On a totally different topic. How does an elected member of the Board of Education justify sending her children to a private out-of-district school? Surely it is a rumor — have I missed the discussion here on MOL?

I'm a big fan of public school and both my kids went through ours K-12. BUT ... there are many reasons that a resident might decide to send their children to a private school or otherwise out of district depending upon the child's and family's needs. So unless you know their situation, then it is wrong to criticize. And if there is such a need, then a member of the BOE should have just as much right to do that as anyone else. That being said, they also have MORE ability than most of us to influence changes that might reduce those needs, but that often does not happen quickly so might not help their own child(ren).


@Morganna — I certainly hope, regardless of politics, that you and I remain connected thru our mutual love of cats, flowers, birds, etc.


I have two options now to sink a thread. 

"We can do this the easy way, or the hard way."


Not sure why we made a key the icon for Sink. Perhaps it should be Pb. 


I know this was started to chastise me and another person. So rather than post anything that will bring that person over here I'll just say:

me culpa. I apologize to everyone we subjected to that nonsense.


I agree and I also apologize. There's nothing wrong with a spirited debate but I got carried away with the one-upsmanship.


ml1 said:

I know this was started to chastise me and another person.

You’re mistaken. It was started to chastise mrincredible.

dave said:

Not sure why we made a key the icon for Sink. Perhaps it should be Pb.

For Plumbing!


DaveSchmidt said:

ml1 said:

I know this was started to chastise me and another person.

You’re mistaken. It was started to chastise mrincredible.

dave said:

Not sure why we made a key the icon for Sink. Perhaps it should be Pb.

For Plumbing!

fair enough. 

But I suspect some of the comments were chastising us grin


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