Should we be worried about martial law?

One of the most worrying things to me about Trump 2.0 is the utterly unhinged rhetoric about immigration. The latest example is how he's falsely tied the New Orleans attack to immigration failures. (and obscuring the obvious fact that we should be looking at why our military produced both the New Orleans and Las Vegas perpetrators. that doesn't fit the narrative, of course)

The problem with Trump is that he never, ever backs down. Once he makes an accusation, no matter how disconnected from reality, all he does is double down when challenged. And MAGA simply cheers him on.

And the rhetoric is not just coming from Trump. Homan and Miller immediately come to mind. There are others.

The President's ability to declare martial law is not at all clear, legally speaking. It seems like he is neither expressly allowed to, nor prohibited from doing it.

The rhetoric involving an immigrant "invasion", immigrant gangs taking over cities, illegal immigration causing record amounts of crime, etc and so on, (none of which are true, obviously) can very clearly be used as the premise for declaring martial law of some kind.

Any attempt by him to do so will undoubtedly head to SCOTUS. The odds of them knocking him down are close to zero.

Don't know about everyone else, but I find this to be quite worrisome.

Currently more worried about pervasive step by step degradation and multi-player grifting, but you could be right.  Going under my bed now.  Call me for 2026 elections, if any.

PS "And MAGA simply cheers him on."  For "MAGA," read "the whole Republican party," with semi-tacit help from Bezos, Zuckerberg, et many al.  Is there even one R left in Congress who speaks against him??

To be clear, I'm not saying we are under threat of the entire country being overseen by the military. Not even close. But I do think that there is that possibility for certain areas of the country, again, under the guise of a "national emergency" brought about by the invading hordes of immigrants.

drummerboy said:

To be clear, I'm not saying we are under threat of the entire country being overseen by the military. Not even close. But I do think that there is that possibility for certain areas of the country, again, under the guise of a "national emergency" brought about by the invading hordes of immigrants.

Trump will almost certainly try to invoke the Insurrection Act if there are any large demonstrations like BLM that he opposes.

He will be especially eager if it's in a city like Chicago, San Francisco, or NYC.

Yeah, you should totally be worried about martial law.  Hell, up here we are worrying about foreign invasion.

Anyhow, I just came by to check in with all you folks.  Good luck navigating the new fascist state.  I'll look back in come February to see how many of you are still standing.

apparently he's gonna declare a national emergency today re the Mexican border.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trump administration once again attempts to overthrow the presidential election in 2028, if a Democrat wins. I think they’ll have a better plan to do it this time around. 

They have a more willing participant in JD Vance in terms of throwing the election certifications into chaos.

And I think martial law could very well be a tool in such an effort, in keeping with the theme of this thread. I suppose he could even try to use martial law to delay future elections. I don’t trust the current Supreme Court to stop him from doing so. 

Drummerboy,

The answer to your question is yes.  We should be worried about martial law.  Trump's inaugural speech should leave no doubt in anybody's mind.

tjohn said:

Drummerboy,

The answer to your question is yes.  We should be worried about martial law.  Trump's inaugural speech should leave no doubt in anybody's mind.

to be honest, I didn't watch it. I can't stand to listen to him for more than a minute.

LMAO.  You people are completely unhinged. TDS doesn't even begin to address the fever dreams on this board. 

terp said:

LMAO.  You people are completely unhinged. TDS doesn't even begin to address the fever dreams on this board. 

he's sending troops to the border.

what part of the Constitution allows him to do that?

terp said:

LMAO.  You people are completely unhinged. TDS doesn't even begin to address the fever dreams on this board. 

btw - do you always walk through life with your eyes closed and your brain shut down?

Terp:

mrincredible said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trump administration once again attempts to overthrow the presidential election in 2028, if a Democrat wins. I think they’ll have a better plan to do it this time around. 

They have a more willing participant in JD Vance in terms of throwing the election certifications into chaos.

And I think martial law could very well be a tool in such an effort, in keeping with the theme of this thread. I suppose he could even try to use martial law to delay future elections. I don’t trust the current Supreme Court to stop him from doing so. 

No need to overthrow. The constitution can be used.

Presidential elections currently hinge upon the purple states. While being purple most are dominated by Republican legislatures. North Carolina voted a Democrat into the governorship but has a strong Republican majority legislature. The magic of gerrymandering.  

In those states where state statute determines how the electoral college is selected their laws can be changed so that their electoral college contingent is appointed by the legislature, not by majority voter count. Of course they will dress it up as being democratic such as saying the voters selected us and we therefore select your electoral college contingent. 

People will protest but if the rules are changed at the last minute it will be too late. They can also cite its not unusual to have the chief of the nation selected by representatives as is done in England.

Project 2026 will be to strengthen the Republican majorities in the purple states.

Project 2027 will be to implement the appointment of electoral college voters by legislatures.

ps - possibly that's what Trump meant when he said you won't have to vote anymore.

drummerboy said:

terp said:

LMAO.  You people are completely unhinged. TDS doesn't even begin to address the fever dreams on this board. 

btw - do you always walk through life with your eyes closed and your brain shut down?

Ha.  Hysterical much?  

dave said:

Terp:

You applauded as they shut down society and laughed at people who refused vaccines while they lost privileges, livelihoods, etc.  You probably still won't admit that the government coerced social media companies to censor views that question the air tight science.   And now you're worried about martial law.  Please. 

terp said:

dave said:

Terp:

You applauded as they shut down society and laughed at people who refused vaccines while they lost privileges, livelihoods, etc.  You probably still won't admit that the government coerced social media companies to censor views that question the air tight science.   And now you're worried about martial law.  Please. 

Apparently you haven't been paying much attention.