I figured there should be a place to talk about what the Dems are doing to stop the destruction of the federal government.
My first thought is that Hakeem Jeffries is a joke and an embarrassment.
AOC and Jamie Raskin are not.
Every Dem in Congress over the age of 70 should resign or announce they will not run for re-election.
They should do this now.
Throwing my usual verbal caution to the winds -
I have read that suggestion before, and I think it's a stupid suggestion, no matter who makes or reprints it. Exploiting Democratic infighting is Trump's not-so-secret weapon.
Here is a suggestion, as someone who used to be a devoted Democrat - stop moving to the right. Stop being neocons (no more endless wars) and supporters of censorship. Stop talking about "dictators" and start talking to other leaders using diplomacy. Start talking about the American people as though you care about them and they are not just an afterthought. Scale back on the "woke" stuff a bit--it was getting out of control. Invest in PUBLIC schools and stop supporting private alternatives. Invest in infrastructure -- for real--so we notice.
Basically, the Democrats let the Republicans swim in their best lanes. Trump is, as expected, screwing some of that up. He is decreasing the size of government which is an OK idea but he's doing it so roughshod that some important protections for the people are being razed.
But, and there is the thing--Democrats have to be SERIOUS about these changes--not just make promises and then spend the next four years talking about dictators they won't talk to.
They also have to, and this will be a huge challenge, get away from the oligarchs they report to (their Elon Musks). I'm not sure they can do that. I'm guessing I will just be attacked and they will go back to the usual which means we will have 8 years of Republicans.
If one more person says the Democrats need to be less "woke"...
First of all, no one can even define what it means. But more important, it's something Republicans made up to smear Democrats.
Trying to be "less woke" won't work when right wingers make that bogus accusation anyway.
Be in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. And don't apologize for it.
What about the other suggestions? I agree that "woke" is difficult to define, but the Democrats pissed a lot of people off with whatever it was they were doing. They should look into that. Perhaps they should just say what you said, "We are in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. We don't apologize." That's actually great.
If one more person says the Democrats need to be less "woke"...
First of all, no one can even define what it means. But more important, it's something Republicans made up to smear Democrats.
Trying to be "less woke" won't work when right wingers make that bogus accusation anyway.
Be in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. And don't apologize for it.
What about the other suggestions? I agree that "woke" is difficult to define, but the Democrats pissed a lot of people off with whatever it was they were doing. They should look into that. Perhaps they should just say what you said, "We are in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. We don't apologize." That's actually great.
aside from the bogus "censorship" claim, there is nothing else I would object to. It's pretty vague though.
In broad strokes, Democrats should be the party of affordable, accessible health care, child care, and higher education for everyone. And they should be the party of freedom to live our personal lives as we choose regarding our families, relationships and when and whether we want to have children.
And full civil rights for everyone regardless of who they are, how they identify themselves, or who they love.
I have read that suggestion before, and I think it's a stupid suggestion, no matter who makes or reprints it. Exploiting Democratic infighting is Trump's not-so-secret weapon.
which part is stupid?
you think I'm exploiting Dem infighting? that wasn't even in my head when I started this thread.
If one more person says the Democrats need to be less "woke"...
First of all, no one can even define what it means. But more important, it's something Republicans made up to smear Democrats.
Trying to be "less woke" won't work when right wingers make that bogus accusation anyway.
Be in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. And don't apologize for it.
What about the other suggestions? I agree that "woke" is difficult to define, but the Democrats pissed a lot of people off with whatever it was they were doing. They should look into that. Perhaps they should just say what you said, "We are in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. We don't apologize." That's actually great.
no. the Democrats did not piss people off. MAGA exploited fear-based issues, as they always do.
take trans issues. It is rarely brought up as a campaign issue by the Dems, but of course when it is brought up by the other side, Dems will support trans rights. That's why it's called a wedge issue. MAGA made people fear non-existent issues around trans people, like their participation in sports, which is a ridiculous, total non-issue due to the numbers involved, and, frankly, to the relative importance of sports as an issue. It ranks way, way down there. And yet, even well meaning liberals fell into the fear mongering. Some of them on this very board.
To say nothing about having an insane MAGA candidate constantly telling people that schools were performing surprise sex-change operations on children. And he said it over and over and over, with no meaningful push-back at all from the media.
Can you even grasp how utterly crazy and abnormal this is, that he is allowed to make these claims over and over again?
you are completely placing blame on this stuff on the wrong people.
no. the Democrats did not piss people off. MAGA exploited fear-based issues, as they always do.
take trans issues. It is rarely brought up as a campaign issue by the Dems, but of course when it is brought up by the other side, Dems will support trans rights. That's why it's called a wedge issue. MAGA made people fear non-existent issues around trans people, like their participation in sports, which is a ridiculous, total non-issue due to the numbers involved, and, frankly, to the relative importance of sports as an issue. It ranks way, way down there. And yet, even well meaning liberals fell into the fear mongering. Some of them on this very board.
To say nothing about having an insane MAGA candidate constantly telling people that schools were performing surprise sex-change operations on children. And he said it over and over and over, with no meaningful push-back at all from the media.
Can you even grasp how utterly crazy and abnormal this is, that he is allowed to make these claims over and over again?
you are completely placing blame on this stuff on the wrong people.
There *are* white “progressives” who let themselves be seduced by the “white resentment” and the “satanic panic” about transgender people that MAGA Trumpists promote.
you think I'm exploiting Dem infighting? that wasn't even in my head when I started this thread.
The blanket demand - which is unreasoned infighting that is exploited by MAGA Trumpists.
well, first of all, I don't see MAGA saying very much at all about Dem infighting. Where are you seeing this?
secondly, if I have to choose between supporting Dem leadership incompetence that will doom us, in order to seem "unified", or ask that we recognize that we have a sclerotic and out of touch leadership what needs to be changed, I unquestionably support the latter.
People like schumer and pelosi and connolly need to step aside for younger people who understand the modern media landscape. They are literally killing us. It's not a question about the positions they hold. It's a question of understanding how to fight back as a minority. The existing leadership simply has no clue. They need to go. We are in serious trouble and they have no idea how to fight back.
I mean, do you think they have a clue about what to do? If so, why do you think that?
If one more person says the Democrats need to be less "woke"...
First of all, no one can even define what it means. But more important, it's something Republicans made up to smear Democrats.
Trying to be "less woke" won't work when right wingers make that bogus accusation anyway.
Be in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. And don't apologize for it.
What about the other suggestions? I agree that "woke" is difficult to define, but the Democrats pissed a lot of people off with whatever it was they were doing. They should look into that. Perhaps they should just say what you said, "We are in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. We don't apologize." That's actually great.
aside from the bogus "censorship" claim, there is nothing else I would object to. It's pretty vague though.
In broad strokes, Democrats should be the party of affordable, accessible health care, child care, and higher education for everyone. And they should be the party of freedom to live our personal lives as we choose regarding our families, relationships and when and whether we want to have children.
And full civil rights for everyone regardless of who they are, how they identify themselves, or who they love.
Health care? All they do is defend Obamacare, which they stole from the Republicans. It was originally written by the same think tank that produced the hated Project 2025. It's better than nothing but there is lots to complain about and it has been around forever with no improvement. They all hate Medicare for All, except for their pet Bernie. What have they done for child care, or higher Ed. There was a period where they had control of Congress and they did nothing except say the Parliamentarian prevented them from raising minimum wage. They use these issues for fundraidsing, but they don't seem to really care about them. Same thing with abortion. The second that went away I got a fundraising email.
If one more person says the Democrats need to be less "woke"...
First of all, no one can even define what it means. But more important, it's something Republicans made up to smear Democrats.
Trying to be "less woke" won't work when right wingers make that bogus accusation anyway.
Be in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. And don't apologize for it.
What about the other suggestions? I agree that "woke" is difficult to define, but the Democrats pissed a lot of people off with whatever it was they were doing. They should look into that. Perhaps they should just say what you said, "We are in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. We don't apologize." That's actually great.
no. the Democrats did not piss people off. MAGA exploited fear-based issues, as they always do.
take trans issues. It is rarely brought up as a campaign issue by the Dems, but of course when it is brought up by the other side, Dems will support trans rights. That's why it's called a wedge issue. MAGA made people fear non-existent issues around trans people, like their participation in sports, which is a ridiculous, total non-issue due to the numbers involved, and, frankly, to the relative importance of sports as an issue. It ranks way, way down there. And yet, even well meaning liberals fell into the fear mongering. Some of them on this very board.
To say nothing about having an insane MAGA candidate constantly telling people that schools were performing surprise sex-change operations on children. And he said it over and over and over, with no meaningful push-back at all from the media.
Can you even grasp how utterly crazy and abnormal this is, that he is allowed to make these claims over and over again?
you are completely placing blame on this stuff on the wrong people.
Ok, I guess I'm just the outlier. No one else gets pissed off by the Democrats. Except even my mother and sister, who are on your side, not mine, get pissed off by the Democrats.
The "trans issue" in sports was real. There were men playing women's sports and winning--most defeat of the gains from Title IX. I know people who lost sporting events to trans people and, believe me, my association with anyone in any sport is minimal.
The Democrats just deny any of these issues are real and think people will believe them. Meanwhile this is a big issue to many people and the MAGA advertising is effective. They have the talented Matt Walsh. Who do the Democrats have? Repulsive and untrustworthy people mostly. There is no plan to actually educate anyone in a convincing way. As usual you blame others. I'm surprised you did not blame Russia, because that's still going on.
Ok, I guess I'm just the outlier. No one else gets pissed off by the Democrats. Except even my mother and sister, who are on your side, not mine, get pissed off by the Democrats.
The "trans issue" in sports was real. There were men playing women's sports and winning--most defeat of the gains from Title IX. I know people who lost sporting events to trans people and, believe me, my association with anyone in any sport is minimal.
The Democrats just deny any of these issues are real and think people will believe them. Meanwhile this is a big issue to many people and the MAGA advertising is effective. They have the talented Matt Walsh. Who do the Democrats have? Repulsive and untrustworthy people mostly. There is no plan to actually educate anyone in a convincing way. As usual you blame others. I'm surprised you did not blame Russia, because that's still going on.
I call total horsesh!t on your claims about "men playing women's' sports and winning". Give us proof. Names and dates.
You know what's true about sports? People lose in every event. That's the whole point of sports. There is no fairness in sports. And the number of trans woman who have won in women's sports is infinitesimal.
If you can show that trans women have some kind of overwhelming advantage in women's sports you might possibly have a point. But they don't. Not even close. So you have no point.
And that you call serial liar and utterly horrible human being Matt Walsh as "talented" is incredible and shows that you have zero ability to discern truth from reality.
Ok, I guess I'm just the outlier. No one else gets pissed off by the Democrats. Except even my mother and sister, who are on your side, not mine, get pissed off by the Democrats.
The "trans issue" in sports was real. There were men playing women's sports and winning--most defeat of the gains from Title IX. I know people who lost sporting events to trans people and, believe me, my association with anyone in any sport is minimal.
The Democrats just deny any of these issues are real and think people will believe them. Meanwhile this is a big issue to many people and the MAGA advertising is effective. They have the talented Matt Walsh. Who do the Democrats have? Repulsive and untrustworthy people mostly. There is no plan to actually educate anyone in a convincing way. As usual you blame others. I'm surprised you did not blame Russia, because that's still going on.
I call total horsesh!t on your claims about "men playing women's' sports and winning". Give us proof. Names and dates.
You know what's true about sports? People lose in every event. That's the whole point of sports. There is no fairness in sports. And the number of trans woman who have won in women's sports is infinitesimal.
If you can show that trans women have some kind of overwhelming advantage in women's sports you might possibly have a point. But they don't. Not even close. So you have no point.
And that you call serial liar and utterly horrible human being Matt Walsh as "talented" is incredible and shows that you have zero ability to discern truth from reality.
Matt Walsh? Really?
wow.
You can Google trans women in women's sports and find lots of examples and articles. There is that activist Riley Gains, who gets lots of attention. I have never listened to her, but I see her coming up all the time for interviews and articles. Swimming seems to be a sport where this happens a lot--that's the examples I have seen, and snowboarding too.
Have you watched any of Matt Walsh's movies? I"m guessing no. They are really funny. He does a good job. Just calling him a horrible human being and insulting me is not going to help change people's opinions. He latest move was allowed to be in more mainstream venues so it got a larger audience. These are the kind of things Democrats need to pay attention to if they want to win back voters.
If one more person says the Democrats need to be less "woke"...
First of all, no one can even define what it means. But more important, it's something Republicans made up to smear Democrats.
Trying to be "less woke" won't work when right wingers make that bogus accusation anyway.
Be in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. And don't apologize for it.
What about the other suggestions? I agree that "woke" is difficult to define, but the Democrats pissed a lot of people off with whatever it was they were doing. They should look into that. Perhaps they should just say what you said, "We are in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. We don't apologize." That's actually great.
aside from the bogus "censorship" claim, there is nothing else I would object to. It's pretty vague though.
In broad strokes, Democrats should be the party of affordable, accessible health care, child care, and higher education for everyone. And they should be the party of freedom to live our personal lives as we choose regarding our families, relationships and when and whether we want to have children.
And full civil rights for everyone regardless of who they are, how they identify themselves, or who they love.
Health care? All they do is defend Obamacare, which they stole from the Republicans. It was originally written by the same think tank that produced the hated Project 2025. It's better than nothing but there is lots to complain about and it has been around forever with no improvement. They all hate Medicare for All, except for their pet Bernie. What have they done for child care, or higher Ed. There was a period where they had control of Congress and they did nothing except say the Parliamentarian prevented them from raising minimum wage. They use these issues for fundraidsing, but they don't seem to really care about them. Same thing with abortion. The second that went away I got a fundraising email.
I thought this was a discussion of what Democrats should do. Not what they have done.
If one more person says the Democrats need to be less "woke"...
First of all, no one can even define what it means. But more important, it's something Republicans made up to smear Democrats.
Trying to be "less woke" won't work when right wingers make that bogus accusation anyway.
Be in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. And don't apologize for it.
What about the other suggestions? I agree that "woke" is difficult to define, but the Democrats pissed a lot of people off with whatever it was they were doing. They should look into that. Perhaps they should just say what you said, "We are in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. We don't apologize." That's actually great.
aside from the bogus "censorship" claim, there is nothing else I would object to. It's pretty vague though.
In broad strokes, Democrats should be the party of affordable, accessible health care, child care, and higher education for everyone. And they should be the party of freedom to live our personal lives as we choose regarding our families, relationships and when and whether we want to have children.
And full civil rights for everyone regardless of who they are, how they identify themselves, or who they love.
Health care? All they do is defend Obamacare, which they stole from the Republicans. It was originally written by the same think tank that produced the hated Project 2025. It's better than nothing but there is lots to complain about and it has been around forever with no improvement. They all hate Medicare for All, except for their pet Bernie. What have they done for child care, or higher Ed. There was a period where they had control of Congress and they did nothing except say the Parliamentarian prevented them from raising minimum wage. They use these issues for fundraidsing, but they don't seem to really care about them. Same thing with abortion. The second that went away I got a fundraising email.
I thought this was a discussion of what Democrats should do. Not what they have done.
Well, that is a list of what they have not done and should.
You can Google trans women in women's sports and find lots of examples and articles. There is that activist Riley Gains, who gets lots of attention. I have never listened to her, but I see her coming up all the time for interviews and articles. Swimming seems to be a sport where this happens a lot--that's the examples I have seen, and snowboarding too.
Have you watched any of Matt Walsh's movies? I"m guessing no. They are really funny. He does a good job. Just calling him a horrible human being and insulting me is not going to help change people's opinions. He latest move was allowed to be in more mainstream venues so it got a larger audience. These are the kind of things Democrats need to pay attention to if they want to win back voters.
The most recent Biden Administration position was a proposal leaving the decisions about transgender athletes to the responsible sports organizations or authorities. It was not an enacted rule or policy.
Matt Walsh uses dishonesty to promote bigotry, and it's clear that watching his movies didn't educate you about the fact I wrote in the preceding paragraph.
[Edited to add] Of course, getting people to focus on the miniscule number of transgender athletes is a smokescreen to cover up the more extensive discrimination (and outright demonization) of transgender people generally. Which now is being enacted as government policy under Trump.
You can Google trans women in women's sports and find lots of examples and articles. There is that activist Riley Gains, who gets lots of attention. I have never listened to her, but I see her coming up all the time for interviews and articles. Swimming seems to be a sport where this happens a lot--that's the examples I have seen, and snowboarding too.
Have you watched any of Matt Walsh's movies? I"m guessing no. They are really funny. He does a good job. Just calling him a horrible human being and insulting me is not going to help change people's opinions. He latest move was allowed to be in more mainstream venues so it got a larger audience. These are the kind of things Democrats need to pay attention to if they want to win back voters.
The most recent Biden Administration position was a proposal leaving the decisions about transgender athletes to the responsible sports organizations or authorities. It was not an enacted rule or policy.
Matt Walsh uses dishonesty to promote bigotry, and it's clear that watching his movies didn't educate you about the fact I wrote in the preceding paragraph.
[Edited to add] Of course, getting people to focus on the miniscule number of transgender athletes is a smokescreen to cover up the more extensive discrimination (and outright demonization) of transgender people generally. Which now is being enacted as government policy under Trump.
Did you watch the Matt Walsh movies? I don't remember them mentioning Biden's policy or proposal. I remember them talking about kids getting hormones that could not be reversed later.
Also, dishonest people like Robin D'Angelo making big bucks on seminars about "White Fragility." I have had personal experience with that book because once I was arguing with someone on MOL and the other person, who did not have a real argument, accused me of being represented by that book. So I read it and was pissed off, because it was some kind of trap where anything you said proved you were a racist. Meanwhile the real problem was that this other person could not defend her position in an argument.
So, he made some good points and they resonated with people and the Democrats need to honestly look at those and find a convincing way to be better.
The Democrats could also stand up for Palestinians. That would be huge. Not happening.
Of course Matt Walsh didn't mention anything which would contradict his demonization narrative.
And how much you understand about the literature about anti-racism is not a subject worth pursuing.
For the purpose of this thread it does not matter how "evolved" I am. What matters is that Democrats want to start winning elections again and they think telling people they don't understand "about the literature about anti-racism" is going to help them.
Because I was SUPER LIBERAL and devoted to anything anti-racist and understood much of the subtlety you think I don't. But, then I was being insulted and threatened with an ugly label and I got pissed off and no one would touch that with a ten foot pole. I was also called "antisemetic for standing up for the Palestinians (and I'm Jewish). And then we have Nancy Pelosi and her cohorts appropriating Kente cloth in a blatantly offensive way and that's supposed to be OK. The moral superiority is troubling.
Watch the movies and learn from them. The hypocrisy is real.
The left is losing the plot when it comes to culture. The first step should be that they don't look at working class Americans as racist losers. The first thing they should do is listen to those people & take them seriously. This constant disrespect in the political and cultural sphere is not a very good strategy IMO.
Hollywood actor Tom Hanks appears on SNL as a racist Trump supporter while wearing a MAGA hat, and hesitating to shake a black man's hand.
That was the skit where none of the "Black Jeopardy" contestants knew what "Saturday Night Live" was, and kept guessing wrong. In other words, it was satire.
If one more person says the Democrats need to be less "woke"...
First of all, no one can even define what it means. But more important, it's something Republicans made up to smear Democrats.
Trying to be "less woke" won't work when right wingers make that bogus accusation anyway.
Be in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. And don't apologize for it.
What about the other suggestions? I agree that "woke" is difficult to define, but the Democrats pissed a lot of people off with whatever it was they were doing. They should look into that. Perhaps they should just say what you said, "We are in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. We don't apologize." That's actually great.
aside from the bogus "censorship" claim, there is nothing else I would object to. It's pretty vague though.
In broad strokes, Democrats should be the party of affordable, accessible health care, child care, and higher education for everyone. And they should be the party of freedom to live our personal lives as we choose regarding our families, relationships and when and whether we want to have children.
And full civil rights for everyone regardless of who they are, how they identify themselves, or who they love.
Health care? All they do is defend Obamacare, which they stole from the Republicans. It was originally written by the same think tank that produced the hated Project 2025. It's better than nothing but there is lots to complain about and it has been around forever with no improvement. They all hate Medicare for All, except for their pet Bernie. What have they done for child care, or higher Ed. There was a period where they had control of Congress and they did nothing except say the Parliamentarian prevented them from raising minimum wage. They use these issues for fundraidsing, but they don't seem to really care about them. Same thing with abortion. The second that went away I got a fundraising email.
I thought this was a discussion of what Democrats should do. Not what they have done.
Well, that is a list of what they have not done and should.
If one more person says the Democrats need to be less "woke"...
First of all, no one can even define what it means. But more important, it's something Republicans made up to smear Democrats.
Trying to be "less woke" won't work when right wingers make that bogus accusation anyway.
Be in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. And don't apologize for it.
What about the other suggestions? I agree that "woke" is difficult to define, but the Democrats pissed a lot of people off with whatever it was they were doing. They should look into that. Perhaps they should just say what you said, "We are in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. We don't apologize." That's actually great.
aside from the bogus "censorship" claim, there is nothing else I would object to. It's pretty vague though.
In broad strokes, Democrats should be the party of affordable, accessible health care, child care, and higher education for everyone. And they should be the party of freedom to live our personal lives as we choose regarding our families, relationships and when and whether we want to have children.
And full civil rights for everyone regardless of who they are, how they identify themselves, or who they love.
Health care? All they do is defend Obamacare, which they stole from the Republicans. It was originally written by the same think tank that produced the hated Project 2025. It's better than nothing but there is lots to complain about and it has been around forever with no improvement. They all hate Medicare for All, except for their pet Bernie. What have they done for child care, or higher Ed. There was a period where they had control of Congress and they did nothing except say the Parliamentarian prevented them from raising minimum wage. They use these issues for fundraidsing, but they don't seem to really care about them. Same thing with abortion. The second that went away I got a fundraising email.
I thought this was a discussion of what Democrats should do. Not what they have done.
Well, that is a list of what they have not done and should.
More reasons the Democrats will continue to lose. They focus on the wrong things and there is no sign that is going to change.
Rep. Joe Wilson is a Republican (says so in the tweet).
[Edited to add] Unless I misunderstand the point of the post and what the statement that the Democrats "focus on the wrong things" is referring to.
Democratic politicians do the same thing. Look at Chris Murphy. Why was he hanging out with Ukrainian Nazis? Does that help the people of Connecticut? If the Democrats want to "resist" the Republicans they can actually demonstrate their priority is the people who live in their districts/states.
And I agree that we better get over some of the obvious way-too-progressive ideas ( for the average struggling American), from dems trying to placate and “domesticate” the far left, but what would he have us do?
We’re all outraged, but until midterms, what’s the plan?
If one more person says the Democrats need to be less "woke"...
First of all, no one can even define what it means. But more important, it's something Republicans made up to smear Democrats.
Trying to be "less woke" won't work when right wingers make that bogus accusation anyway.
Be in favor of civil rights for everyone. Period. And don't apologize for it.
The GOP has made leaps and bounds defining “woke.” As they have with “defund the police.” I, for one, agree with most progressive ideas but I realize that we’re not going to elect a president or Senate with those ideas up front. Yup, we can stick to our values, but average folks need to be clothed and fed well before they’re ready for progressive ideas.
I figured there should be a place to talk about what the Dems are doing to stop the destruction of the federal government.
My first thought is that Hakeem Jeffries is a joke and an embarrassment.
AOC and Jamie Raskin are not.
Every Dem in Congress over the age of 70 should resign or announce they will not run for re-election.
They should do this now.