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Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

adamlicht said:

Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

Which betrayal are you talking about?

nan said:

Which betrayal are you talking about?

Oh, you can name many. They are endless. Ukraine, the American people to start with.

adamlicht said:

nan said:

Which betrayal are you talking about?

Oh, you can name many. They are endless. Ukraine, the American people to start with.

He's trying to broker a peace deal in Ukraine--a war that is lost and cannot be won.  That's one thing Trump is doing right.  He's trying to save lives there. 

Another thing Trump did right was close down USAID/NED--those were regime change operations pretending to be charities.

I also like RFK,Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard and look forward to what changes they make to corrupt agencies.

--BUT--

I generally don't like Trump, did not vote for him,  and I don't like how he's getting rid of some government agencies such as the Consumer Protection Agency and the Department of Education.  I don't like how he's dumping all these middle class jobs without thought and all the pain that is causing. 

I don't see the value of those tariffs either and his new tax plan seems highly questionable. 

---SO--

I don't see the "betrayal" you are talking about.  I see a president who has some unpopular policies.  I won't be joining your protest because I support some of things Trump is doing, but I wish you well.  I would suggest you focus more specifically on what he is doing that you feel is a betrayal and not just the usual hysteria about Trump being treasonous or crazy.  

nan said:

adamlicht said:

Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

Which betrayal are you talking about?

please go away.

drummerboy said:

please go away.

maybe it’s time to give her a little vacation… she needs it badly.

adamlicht said:

Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

I’m an early bird, but I have to be somewhere at 2:30 pm tomorrow. 10am is good for me. 

Jaytee said:

adamlicht said:

Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

I’m an early bird, but I have to be somewhere at 2:30 pm tomorrow. 10am is good for me. 

Oh, now I might go just to see Jaytee in person!  

nan said:

He's trying to broker a peace deal in Ukraine--a war that is lost and cannot be won.  That's one thing Trump is doing right.  He's trying to save lives there. 

Another thing Trump did right was close down USAID/NED--those were regime change operations pretending to be charities.

I also like RFK,Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard and look forward to what changes they make to corrupt agencies.

--BUT--

I generally don't like Trump, did not vote for him,  and I don't like how he's getting rid of some government agencies such as the Consumer Protection Agency and the Department of Education.  I don't like how he's dumping all these middle class jobs without thought and all the pain that is causing. 

I don't see the value of those tariffs either and his new tax plan seems highly questionable. 

---SO--

I don't see the "betrayal" you are talking about.  I see a president who has some unpopular policies.  I won't be joining your protest because I support some of things Trump is doing, but I wish you well.  I would suggest you focus more specifically on what he is doing that you feel is a betrayal and not just the usual hysteria about Trump being treasonous or crazy.  

I’m not going to get in a debate with you. Suffice it to say that he had no intention to broke a peace agreement. His setup yesterday was to humiliate Zelensky and then ask him to leave.

adamlicht said:

nan said:

He's trying to broker a peace deal in Ukraine--a war that is lost and cannot be won.  That's one thing Trump is doing right.  He's trying to save lives there. 

Another thing Trump did right was close down USAID/NED--those were regime change operations pretending to be charities.

I also like RFK,Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard and look forward to what changes they make to corrupt agencies.

--BUT--

I generally don't like Trump, did not vote for him,  and I don't like how he's getting rid of some government agencies such as the Consumer Protection Agency and the Department of Education.  I don't like how he's dumping all these middle class jobs without thought and all the pain that is causing. 

I don't see the value of those tariffs either and his new tax plan seems highly questionable. 

---SO--

I don't see the "betrayal" you are talking about.  I see a president who has some unpopular policies.  I won't be joining your protest because I support some of things Trump is doing, but I wish you well.  I would suggest you focus more specifically on what he is doing that you feel is a betrayal and not just the usual hysteria about Trump being treasonous or crazy.  

I’m not going to get in a debate with you. Suffice it to say that he had no intention to broke a peace agreement. His setup yesterday was to humiliate Zelensky and then ask him to leave.

Yeah, I don't agree, but this is not the place to debate.  We have the Russia thread for that.  Good luck with your protest. 

Jaytee said:

I’m an early bird, but I have to be somewhere at 2:30 pm tomorrow. 10am is good for me. 

Jaytee - are you up for 10 am tomorrow?

People are starting to protest in front of Tesla dealerships, so that may be something to consider too. There have been some actions here in Ohio.

drummerboy said:

nan said:

adamlicht said:

Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

Which betrayal are you talking about?

please go away.

Do you talk to people like that where you live?

paulsurovell said:

Do you talk to people like that where you live?

Sounded like a polite request to someone who couldn’t immediately read the room she entered.

paulsurovell said:

drummerboy said:

nan said:

adamlicht said:

Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

Which betrayal are you talking about?

please go away.

Do you talk to people like that where you live?

I have yet to encounter anyone with the unique qualities that nan embodies.

so, no.

I mean, seriously, to somehow pretend that orange man is not betraying his supporters and the rest of the country is quite ludicrous, don't you think? Her comment was in no way useful in the current environment, much less in this thread.

DaveSchmidt said:

paulsurovell said:

Do you talk to people like that where you live?

Sounded like a polite request to someone who couldn’t immediately read the room she entered.

I didn't see any requests to keep this monolithic.

drummerboy said:

paulsurovell said:

drummerboy said:

nan said:

adamlicht said:

Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

Which betrayal are you talking about?

please go away.

Do you talk to people like that where you live?

I have yet to encounter anyone with the unique qualities that nan embodies.

so, no.

I mean, seriously, to somehow pretend that orange man is not betraying his supporters and the rest of the country is quite ludicrous, don't you think? Her comment was in no way useful in the current environment, much less in this thread.

On the whole I agree with you, but Nan is right to point out that there are exceptions for potential support. I just read that Israel -- at the behest of Trump's representative -- is extending the ceasefire in Gaza. Can we agree that that is a good thing?

paulsurovell said:

drummerboy said:

paulsurovell said:

drummerboy said:

nan said:

adamlicht said:

Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

Which betrayal are you talking about?

please go away.

Do you talk to people like that where you live?

I have yet to encounter anyone with the unique qualities that nan embodies.

so, no.

I mean, seriously, to somehow pretend that orange man is not betraying his supporters and the rest of the country is quite ludicrous, don't you think? Her comment was in no way useful in the current environment, much less in this thread.

On the whole I agree with you, but Nan is right to point out that there are exceptions for potential support. I just read that Israel -- at the behest of Trump's representative -- is extending the ceasefire in Gaza. Can we agree that that is a good thing?

given the overall recent history of orange man's comments about Gaza, (have you seen the utterly insane AI Gaza video?) I can't take take anything coming out of his admin on this subject at face value.

do you?

drummerboy said:

paulsurovell said:

drummerboy said:

nan said:

adamlicht said:

Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

Which betrayal are you talking about?

please go away.

Do you talk to people like that where you live?

I have yet to encounter anyone with the unique qualities that nan embodies.

so, no.

I mean, seriously, to somehow pretend that orange man is not betraying his supporters and the rest of the country is quite ludicrous, don't you think? Her comment was in no way useful in the current environment, much less in this thread.

I asked a question and you want to hang me because I don’t agree with you. I got my answer and I said good luck and left because this is not an appropriate thread for me. Why did you feel the need to attack me? I did nothing wrong. 

DaveSchmidt said:

paulsurovell said:

Do you talk to people like that where you live?

Sounded like a polite request to someone who couldn’t immediately read the room she entered.

I had a question. Is that not allowed? I was polite. Not so drummerboy. 

Db whinges about nan but he secretly loves her. If there were no antagonists for db on here, if it were only an echo chamber, he’d be miserable and probably shrivel up and die of boredom within a few days.

nan said:

I had a question. Is that not allowed? I was polite. Not so drummerboy. 

so is anyone committed to protesting against Trump in front of Townhall today at 10 am?

drummerboy said:

nan said:

adamlicht said:

Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

Which betrayal are you talking about?

please go away.

If everyone just ignored her posts...I know it's hard since her opinions are so diametrically opposed to most of ours, but doing battle with her is her source of energy. 

jeffl said:

drummerboy said:

nan said:

adamlicht said:

Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

Which betrayal are you talking about?

please go away.

If everyone just ignored her posts...I know it's hard since her opinions are so diametrically opposed to most of ours, but doing battle with her is her source of energy. 

good advice. unfortunately my weakness is that I love to debate and there aren't many people to do that with here, so I succumb.

drummerboy said:

paulsurovell said:

drummerboy said:

paulsurovell said:

drummerboy said:

nan said:

adamlicht said:

Who's ready to join me in protesting Trump and his betrayal? What time do you want to meet at Townhall tomorrow, Sunday. Let's stand together!"

Which betrayal are you talking about?

please go away.

Do you talk to people like that where you live?

I have yet to encounter anyone with the unique qualities that nan embodies.

so, no.

I mean, seriously, to somehow pretend that orange man is not betraying his supporters and the rest of the country is quite ludicrous, don't you think? Her comment was in no way useful in the current environment, much less in this thread.

On the whole I agree with you, but Nan is right to point out that there are exceptions for potential support. I just read that Israel -- at the behest of Trump's representative -- is extending the ceasefire in Gaza. Can we agree that that is a good thing?

given the overall recent history of orange man's comments about Gaza, (have you seen the utterly insane AI Gaza video?) I can't take take anything coming out of his admin on this subject at face value.

do you?

No I don't. In fact, the "good thing" that I cited about Gaza has at this point turned bad -- for now: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9q4w99je78o.