American Exceptionalism took a body blow

Top that with being laughed at in every capitol around the world!

Especially Russia 

I have not been more embarrassed since the shipboard Mission Accomplished!

We are exceptional a-holes now. 

Many Americans posted to Zelensky on social media, expressing their embarrassment. I've seen the response on a site for a Ukrainian artist friend.

I have NOT believed in American exceptionalism for a very long time.  Our national myth that we are God's gift to the world leads to bad things.

Most people don't understand it because they believe the lies they have been told about this war.  They think the Ukrainians can win.  They think Zelensky is Churchill.  They think Trump talking to the Russians is treason and even that he might be some kind of Russian agent.

None of that is true.  The Ukrainians cannot win this war.  Zelensky is a  used up anti-democratic proxy who let his country be used and destroyed (and who lied his butt off during that meeting).  And Russiagate was a hoax.  Trump (who IS an orange blowhole) wants to make a peace deal with the Russians and end this war which is the best strategy going forward. Showing the ugly side of US foreign policy out in the open may or may not be a good way to go.  

I get how if you don't know what's going on it looked like two mean thugs picking on this cute little green man but we are not children anymore. 

nan said:

Most people don't understand it because they believe the lies they have been told about this war.  They think the Ukrainians can win.  They think Zelensky is Churchill.  They think Trump talking to the Russians is treason and even that he might be some kind of Russian agent.

None of that is true.  The Ukrainians cannot win this war.  Zelensky is a  used up anti-democratic proxy who let his country be used and destroyed (and who lied his butt off during that meeting).  And Russiagate was a hoax.  Trump (who IS an orange blowhole) wants to make a peace deal with the Russians and end this war which is the best strategy going forward. Showing the ugly side of US foreign policy out in the open may or may not be a good way to go.  

I get how if you don't know what's going on it looked like two mean thugs picking on this cute little green man but we are not children anymore. 

Your comments don't have much to do with American exceptionalism.

The way Zelensky was treated was a very low point in our history.  Regardless of one's stance on how to end the war against Ukraine, Trump's behavior was wrong and unhelpful.

tjohn said:

nan said:

Most people don't understand it because they believe the lies they have been told about this war.  They think the Ukrainians can win.  They think Zelensky is Churchill.  They think Trump talking to the Russians is treason and even that he might be some kind of Russian agent.

None of that is true.  The Ukrainians cannot win this war.  Zelensky is a  used up anti-democratic proxy who let his country be used and destroyed (and who lied his butt off during that meeting).  And Russiagate was a hoax.  Trump (who IS an orange blowhole) wants to make a peace deal with the Russians and end this war which is the best strategy going forward. Showing the ugly side of US foreign policy out in the open may or may not be a good way to go.  

I get how if you don't know what's going on it looked like two mean thugs picking on this cute little green man but we are not children anymore. 

Your comments don't have much to do with American exceptionalism.

The way Zelensky was treated was a very low point in our history.  Regardless of one's stance on how to end the war against Ukraine, Trump's behavior was wrong and unhelpful.

The reason we had this war in the first place was because of the drive to maintain a uni-polar world.  We took over the Ukraine government and used the Ukrainians as a proxy to try to "extend" Russia.  We thought it would be an easy slam dunk, as we often think when proposing these kind of operations.  It' boomeranged and smacked us in the face and now we have the little green pieces sitting in the white house throwing a fit.  

The way we treated Zelensky is better than he deserves for selling out his country to be used as battering ram.  He's been presented in the media as a very different person than the reality.  When the reality comes out, people might not be so supportive of Zelensky.  History won't be kind to him. 

Nan… please… do us all a favor and go love yourself…

"as a proxy to try to "extend" Russia"

I think somebody is trying to "extend" Russia, but i don't think it's the US doing so.  Wait and see what Vlad's next move is (other than cutting cables and the like).

mjc said:

"as a proxy to try to "extend" Russia"

I think somebody is trying to "extend" Russia, but i don't think it's the US doing so.  Wait and see what Vlad's next move is (other than cutting cables and the like).

Well, not anymore since that failed spectacularly.  There was a plan  for that. 

Jaytee said:

Nan… please… do us all a favor and go love yourself…

What the heck does that mean?   

For anyone who doesn’t visit the “What Putin Wants” thread, this is the incorrect version of the facts which you’re missing. See that thread for the rebuttals and actual facts.

nan said:

The reason we had this war in the first place was because of the drive to maintain a uni-polar world.  We took over the Ukraine government and used the Ukrainians as a proxy to try to "extend" Russia.  We thought it would be an easy slam dunk, as we often think when proposing these kind of operations.  It' boomeranged and smacked us in the face and now we have the little green pieces sitting in the white house throwing a fit.  

The way we treated Zelensky is better than he deserves for selling out his country to be used as battering ram.  He's been presented in the media as a very different person than the reality.  When the reality comes out, people might not be so supportive of Zelensky.  History won't be kind to him. 

nohero said:

For anyone who doesn’t visit the “What Putin Wants” thread, this is the incorrect version of the facts which you’re missing. See that thread for the rebuttals and actual facts.

nan said:

The reason we had this war in the first place was because of the drive to maintain a uni-polar world.  We took over the Ukraine government and used the Ukrainians as a proxy to try to "extend" Russia.  We thought it would be an easy slam dunk, as we often think when proposing these kind of operations.  It' boomeranged and smacked us in the face and now we have the little green pieces sitting in the white house throwing a fit.  

The way we treated Zelensky is better than he deserves for selling out his country to be used as battering ram.  He's been presented in the media as a very different person than the reality.  When the reality comes out, people might not be so supportive of Zelensky.  History won't be kind to him. 

Visit the thread and you will see differences of opinion.  What I've said here about the 2014 coup is factual.  Obviously what I say about Zelensky is my opinion, based on facts.  

It’s only 2mins 30secs, and it’s parody, yet it seems to belong here.

nan said:

tjohn said:

nan said:

Most people don't understand it because they believe the lies they have been told about this war.  They think the Ukrainians can win.  They think Zelensky is Churchill.  They think Trump talking to the Russians is treason and even that he might be some kind of Russian agent.

None of that is true.  The Ukrainians cannot win this war.  Zelensky is a  used up anti-democratic proxy who let his country be used and destroyed (and who lied his butt off during that meeting).  And Russiagate was a hoax.  Trump (who IS an orange blowhole) wants to make a peace deal with the Russians and end this war which is the best strategy going forward. Showing the ugly side of US foreign policy out in the open may or may not be a good way to go.  

I get how if you don't know what's going on it looked like two mean thugs picking on this cute little green man but we are not children anymore. 

Your comments don't have much to do with American exceptionalism.

The way Zelensky was treated was a very low point in our history.  Regardless of one's stance on how to end the war against Ukraine, Trump's behavior was wrong and unhelpful.

The reason we had this war in the first place was because of the drive to maintain a uni-polar world.  We took over the Ukraine government and used the Ukrainians as a proxy to try to "extend" Russia.  We thought it would be an easy slam dunk, as we often think when proposing these kind of operations.  It' boomeranged and smacked us in the face and now we have the little green pieces sitting in the white house throwing a fit.  

The way we treated Zelensky is better than he deserves for selling out his country to be used as battering ram.  He's been presented in the media as a very different person than the reality.  When the reality comes out, people might not be so supportive of Zelensky.  History won't be kind to him. 

China wants a word with you.